Just watched 2001: A Space Odyssey for the first time

Mind = BLOWD

I think the black monolith represented a blank slate at each stage of mankind’s evolution. First we conquered the biological, then we discovered tools and the bulk of the movie is about our challenge of conquering tools. (I take issue with the philosophical and historic significance of tools – plenty of other animals use tools – what makes mankind special is that we have intent). The monolith on the moon was supposed to be a challenge for individual humans, but we were still vulnerable and weak so we needed a bigger challenge – the monolith on Jupiter was a challenge for the whole civilization. HAL represented the final challenge in our mastery of tools, and a warning not to play god and try to make AI into Life. The psychedelics were to show that we were entering something new, unknown, and unintelligeable. It was also obviously representative of the birth experience. The embryo at the end represented that we had been officially born into the community of interstellar civilizations that we all know is chillin out there.

Just had to say it because I know none of my friends care.

your friends are fucktards. get new ones.

You completely got it wrong. The monoliths don’t represent things that we conquered, they’re tools the alien intelligence used to alter/guide human growth. The first one changed the monkeys/protohumans to make them smarter and put them on the path to become humans. The second one directed humanity to Jupiter. The third one changed Dave Bowman.

Don’t feel bad though, you really need to read the novel then watch it again to understand what’s going on. The movie doesn’t tell a complete story, it’s basically the visuals of the novel.

Do not, under any circumstances go and watch 2010.

I have been on a sci-fi kick over the last year, I read 2001 and then watched the movie.
Wow. What a great time that was. Seriously, it is rare when both a book and the movie are both at the top of there game. I can’t recomend one over the other, I can’t even recommend which order (read and watch or watch and read?).

So I read 2010. Another great book. A worthy successor. A personal metric I have of great Sci-Fi is, ‘Does it keep me awake at night contemplating what I read that day?’. YES.

I finished the book and searched out the movie.
Complete and utter crap. Incompetence.

You completely got it wrong. The monoliths don’t represent things that we conquered, they’re tools the alien intelligence used to alter/guide human growth. The first one changed the monkeys/protohumans to make them smarter and put them on the path to become humans. The second one directed humanity to Jupiter. The third one changed Dave Bowman.

Don’t feel bad though, you really need to read the novel then watch it again to understand what’s going on. The movie doesn’t tell a complete story, it’s basically the visuals of the novel.

Joe Cool is correct. I also want to back up that you need to re watch the movie and read (or even reread, hey its a short book, barely 200 pages) the book.

Another metric I have of great Sci-Fi is how it stands up to a 2nd viewing or reading. Great Sci-Fi stories invite you for multiple viewings. When you re watch it you can forgo spending so much time following the story and pick out sub-topics to pay attention to. Often the re watch is just as fascinating as the original watch.

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About the Lunar monolith.

Here is what is going on.

Think for a second about human civilization. We are a very, very, very, very, very young species.
We have had the printing press for only a few hindered years. Radio is turning 100. Navigable flight is only hitting a hundred years.

I read some time ago that in our planets history there have been 3 different catastrophes that have reset life on the planet. You know about the asteroid killing the dinosaurs, apparently that sort of thing has happened at least 3 times in our planets history.

Imagine what could have been if it had never happened at all?

Well throw this into your thoughts, we point our telescopes upwards to look at the stars and we are beginning to understand that our star isn’t even that old of a star.

The idea that there are civilizations out there that have had the printing press, radio, flight, space travel for a thousand years, ten thousand or even a hundred thousand years is almost a certante.

What I am about to say is backed up in the book. The movie drops some exposition from it. This is all very detailed in the book.

A million or more years ago there was an alien species that was far, far more advanced then we are today.
They evolved and collected sentient species. Species that thought, species that problem solved, species that developed civilizations – this is what a civilization that much more advanced then ours had chosen to study.

How to go about doing this?

A is the way to go. This is a machine that can go out to a place like the moon, self replicate using materials it finds on the moon, then the self replicated machines go out and find other moons. They in turn self replicate and so on and so on.

The monoliths were Von Neuman probes.

(once again, in the book) The first probe on the planet was there to reprogram our DNA and our brains.
There were several such probes (excuse me, monoliths) on the planet at the time. All but one failed.
The apes found the monolith. The monolith reprogrammed us so that we could evolve into higher creatures.

Then the monolith set up a test and a trap for us.

The test was on the moon.
Quite simply, the test was if we had the ability to find the monolith.
The monolith was findable. When we scanned the moon the monolith gave off a very distinctive magnetic image that could not be explained by natural occurrences.

If any of the first sets of probes were succesful in reprogramming the animals on the planets, if the animals ever got to the point they could explore there moon the animals could not miss the calling card of this monolith.
But it wasn’t enough to know that *something* was there. The apes needed to actually excavate it, to touch it. To probe it.

That was the test. It was a hell of a test.

When we found that monolith it did NOT reprogram us. All it did was set us up for the trap.
It sent a signal out and the signal pointed us to a third probe.

The probe around Jupiter (Saturn in the book).

When Dave found that probe he proved himself worthy. He was evolved and collected.

What is fascinating about all this is because it is a process set up by Van Neuman probes it required very little interference from the Aliens themselves. Wether the aliens still existed – or had died out millions of years ago – is a question that is not resolved at all by the end of the first book.

Honestly, I enjoyed 2010. Obviously it’s not the cinematic landmark that 2001 was, but it tells a good story and does it pretty well.

I really disliked both. I was bored… might just be that I’m not into slow moving space movies. I was massively bored by Moon and fell asleep within the first half hour. If there isn’t blasters, droids and Wookies I just can’t figure out how to care about it.

To be completely fair, I read 2001 then almost immediately watched the movie. It was just an awesome experience. A lot of book to movie experiences can be destroyed with this sort of behavior, I found the two to complement themselves quite well.

A month later I read 2010. I found the book to be a worthy sequel to 2001.

So there lies the problem. The movie 2010 wasn’t done by the same director. I wanted to see a movie that complemented the book in the same way that 2001 movie/book compliment each other.
Under that sort of critical eye it just doesn’t stand up.

If I had read the book, then 3 years later seen the movie, maybe I wouldn’t have thought it sucked.

I will say this though, if you have read 2001 recently then reading 2010 is absolutely worth your time. It is as short of a book as 2001 was and just as good.

But earlier in this thread when he complained he had no friends he could discuss this movie with you said they were….

So this makes you a fucktard?

But earlier in this thread when he complained he had no friends he could discuss this movie with you said they were….

So this makes you a fucktard?

No. His friends are fucktards for not caring enough about him to at least humour him. Read more, fucktard.

I loved the movie, I’m about to start reading the book right now, I’ve never read it before.

You’ll be surprised at how much more the story makes sense once you know what’s actually going on.

I literally wanted to cry when Kubrick died, he was a legendary director and will never be forgotten.

This ^^

Read the novel.

This ^^

Read the novel.

even if you agree with me, you’re wrong. stop using the internet immediately.

yarbles. great big boslhy yarblockos.

Do you know you’re cute when you get all excited?

Came, and post this.

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